tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post6740376093755533580..comments2023-05-19T10:54:08.696-04:00Comments on New Conservative Generation: Is it Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism? You tell me.conservative generationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10614578478747561732noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-84815385708797725162009-10-23T12:41:41.852-04:002009-10-23T12:41:41.852-04:00You all might be interested in the little known ta...You all might be interested in the little known tale of how Austria declined into fascism from its democratic experiment between the wars. Those who don't study history . . . etc. Some interesting parallels with today. See http://last-waltz.com. My graduate professor in Russian studies said that the best way to understand a period in history was to read a novel that is well written about G.G. Vandagriffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12605490661503307897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-35536155425584249572009-10-09T04:52:47.688-04:002009-10-09T04:52:47.688-04:00TAO said,
"When the government broke up Stand...TAO said,<br />"When the government broke up Standard Oil the company actually grew and the same thing holds true with AT&T."<br />You need to look at the history and you will find out that Standard Oil was formed and became a trust by John D Rockefeller and 6 other partners. When it was ordered by the Supreme Court to be dissolved into 34 separate companies JR owned 42% of each Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07439272245238861525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-13943025667795277102009-09-28T11:47:12.666-04:002009-09-28T11:47:12.666-04:00The US has been a mixed economy for some time. Cap...The US has been a mixed economy for some time. Capitalism highly regulated by the state.<br /><br />Therefore, as a nation we have been and continue to be moving to a more statist nation. In actuality we have been trending toward fascism for some time. <br /><br />Even though the current Oval Office occupant is more closely aligned with a socialist/statist philosophy it is likely the backlash Les Carpenterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01120280762698472496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-46690610110973282692009-09-24T16:24:11.928-04:002009-09-24T16:24:11.928-04:00This was a great post and great comments by all. K...This was a great post and great comments by all. KOOK reposted it over on our blog too. TL, I agree with KOOK. I often disagree with you, but I think deep down you are a good person and as KOOK said you do think for yourself and that is a quality needed from all sides of our political spectrum.Andrew33https://www.blogger.com/profile/12727106195950368976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-43153743848813972882009-09-23T13:45:41.368-04:002009-09-23T13:45:41.368-04:00The power of the executive branch seems to be incr...The power of the executive branch seems to be increasing all the time. I generally trust President Obama, but I don’t want the president to have any more power because Sarah Palin or someone like her could be the next president. <br /><br />I am not convinced that property rights go hand-in-hand with other rights, but property rights are important. From a strictly practical view, government CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05824987036580158137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-78867263467211452832009-09-23T12:34:49.676-04:002009-09-23T12:34:49.676-04:00@Law, I think you are a good guy, I think you thin...@Law, I think you are a good guy, I think you think for yourself. But I don't think it really matters if they came asking for the money or if they were forced. The crappy 2 didn't take an oath to defend the constitution, our elected (non)representatives did, and this violates that oath. Simple. End result = Collectivism. Statism. Whatever you want to call it.KOOKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03986549911723641974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-73038426520883083192009-09-23T12:31:31.105-04:002009-09-23T12:31:31.105-04:00@LAW GM and Chevy are the same company and they d...@LAW GM and Chevy are the same company and they did take the money. The only domestic auto manufacturer not on Obama's teat is Ford.KOOKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03986549911723641974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-84956253472548642392009-09-23T12:30:02.420-04:002009-09-23T12:30:02.420-04:00Repost!Repost!KOOKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03986549911723641974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-56020036439889351032009-09-22T17:10:02.167-04:002009-09-22T17:10:02.167-04:00Correction *not participating in capitalism instea...Correction *not participating in capitalism instead of welfare as written.conservative generationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10614578478747561732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-61538667912908728752009-09-22T17:09:06.002-04:002009-09-22T17:09:06.002-04:00@ Everyone - Wow! I absolutely love my readers an...@ Everyone - Wow! I absolutely love my readers and the good debate going on. I don't have time to hit on everything, especially Tao who has some good points so I'll have to come back. I did want to comment on my good friend tL :)<br /><br />Lets be honest...I'm going to flip the below around.<br /><br />"The one simple fact that you omit (as do conservatives in general) is theconservative generationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10614578478747561732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-44800350850352063982009-09-22T16:40:38.170-04:002009-09-22T16:40:38.170-04:00I don't necessarily think that the government ...I don't necessarily think that the government imposing penalties and oversight etc. on the car companies is an example of socialism by itself. But the fact that he has chosen to encroach on certain freedoms afforded to us by the constitution, is what I would classify as a combination of a lesser form of fascism and with communism. But, even that is just a guess based on how I see the Obama Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-11679269145629644012009-09-22T16:20:07.455-04:002009-09-22T16:20:07.455-04:00Does every company who files for bankruptcy have t...<i> Does every company who files for bankruptcy have the White House looking over there shoulder? Most likely the government, but not specifically the White House. So, in that sense I believe that the White House did overstep its bounds.</i><br /><br />And here's the crucial point to be made here. If GM and Chrysler asked for money once, and the White House pressured them, I think your pointThe Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18232167775850895479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-21220883063309807552009-09-22T15:45:24.686-04:002009-09-22T15:45:24.686-04:00@The Law
First, originally Obama would not accept...@The Law<br /><br />First, originally Obama would not accept a deal that the car comapanies agreed to on the so called premise that it would hurt the unions. The President caved into the unions demands in order to keep them as Democrat voters. Obama pressured the GM CEO to resign also. And then, at least one car company ended up filing bankruptcy anyway. If the car companies hadn't been more Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-3686729654563376432009-09-22T14:23:09.349-04:002009-09-22T14:23:09.349-04:00@Teresa, He expanded the takeover of car companies...@Teresa, <i>He expanded the takeover of car companies greatly.</i><br /><br />Please explain how he did this. Or better yet, please allow me to ask you a question. Let's say we're best friends. Having having a tough time financially because I didn't spend my money responsibly. I'm a habitual gambler, video game addict, I skip work often, and I would rather buy a 50" TV The Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18232167775850895479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-46098510915098609012009-09-22T14:17:10.990-04:002009-09-22T14:17:10.990-04:00sheer brilliance ty! been busy..tryin to catch up!...sheer brilliance ty! been busy..tryin to catch up!:)WomanHonorThyselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211851365273181636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-61830761806096829992009-09-22T14:09:26.996-04:002009-09-22T14:09:26.996-04:00TAO said: This whole healthcare debate started fro...TAO said: <i>This whole healthcare debate started from the wrong premise because it did not start from an agreement of fundamental principles. We need to ask ourselves if we truly believe that healthcare is a right of all citizens.</i><br /><br />ding ding ding!!! that is the correct answer! I've said this all along, our constant failure to treat the symptoms, not the disease is the problem The Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18232167775850895479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-58789396901643705562009-09-22T07:36:07.484-04:002009-09-22T07:36:07.484-04:00In regards to healthcare, the Baucus Plan was deve...In regards to healthcare, the Baucus Plan was developed by the "Gang of Six" three democrats and three republicans. But their who focus was not on healthcare as much as on economic advantage.<br /><br />This whole healthcare debate started from the wrong premise because it did not start from an agreement of fundamental principles. We need to ask ourselves if we truly believe that TAOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452702225885449029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-37438900916389679402009-09-22T05:52:42.367-04:002009-09-22T05:52:42.367-04:00THE LAW- Now, Obama is pushing for a government ta...THE LAW- Now, Obama is pushing for a government takeover of pretty much everything gradually. He expanded the takeover of car comapnies greatly. Obama may say that he has left the door open for talks but he hasn't listened to Republicans suggestions at all. Or as the words go in one ear, he lets the words go out the other ear. He is still pushing for his public option when a clear majority Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-4370443178588567542009-09-22T04:05:16.966-04:002009-09-22T04:05:16.966-04:00TAO pretty much nailed it, so I really have nothin...TAO pretty much nailed it, so I really have nothing to add except some over your examples obviously allude to the government takeover/restructuring of the banks and the car industry. The one simple fact that you omit (as do conservatives in general) is the government didn't take those companies over, those companies, at the time they failed, opted NOT to participate in capitalism. If the The Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18232167775850895479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-7200762359832549532009-09-21T22:20:32.564-04:002009-09-21T22:20:32.564-04:00Your definitions are a little misleading and kind ...Your definitions are a little misleading and kind of all stacked in such a way that capitalism is the only alternative to everything else.<br /><br />You need to view economic systems as feudalistic, capitalistic, socialistic, and communistic. <br /><br />Then you need to view political systems as anarchy, totaltarianism/divine rule (which would also include fascism), oliarchy, and then TAOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452702225885449029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-45219253057860253932009-09-21T20:53:55.889-04:002009-09-21T20:53:55.889-04:00Awesome Post!!! Very interesting article!! I think...Awesome Post!!! Very interesting article!! I think Obama's ideology consists of fascism, communism, socialism, and totalitarianism all rolled into one. It seems like he take bits and pieces from each of these definitions.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8571885563565623577.post-54942677766363250322009-09-21T17:11:53.812-04:002009-09-21T17:11:53.812-04:00What a great post, you have material here that I w...What a great post, you have material here that I will refer to in the future. And this is the slimmed down 1x a week Cgen???? I can tell that you have been exercising your mind in search of your MBA.Left Coast Rebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09292257205859285528noreply@blogger.com